Investor in the Wilderness - Latest Comments in Survey: Will Apple Blow Out iPhone Numbers?

Re: Survey: Will Apple Blow Out iPhone Numbers?

zach_bass — Sun, 27 Jul 2008 21:35:09 -0000

Perhaps you could suggest a "meaningful" set of choices? This is an opinion poll with over 500 respondents. Are you saying that their responses have no significance?

Re: Survey: Will Apple Blow Out iPhone Numbers?

Ron — Sun, 27 Jul 2008 11:51:52 -0000

Next time please hire a survey research specialist to draft the survey item and the response options.

If you are going to go to the effort of doing one, you may as well have one designed that will provide meaningful information.

Oh, wait a minute - self-promotion and meaningful information do not necessarily go together. Never mind. Carry on.

Re: Survey: Will Apple Blow Out iPhone Numbers?

KenC — Sat, 26 Jul 2008 13:33:23 -0000

I don't know how you can say that the stock price is being manipulated. Quarter after quarter of profits/margins that are the envy of all. Market share ticking up nicely. Brand recognition ..... on and on. Redmond firing up their photocopiers again (like that will do them any good). Yet the people in the know are ready to hold a Going Out of Business sale at 1 Infinite Loop. No nothing to see here folks, move on.

Re: Survey: Will Apple Blow Out iPhone Numbers?

Zoltar — Fri, 25 Jul 2008 22:58:08 -0000

ConstableOdo, never thought of "following the money" when things apparently don't make sense? WS is evidently being manipulated by a setup of Apple enemies whom, in the process of targeting AAPL, make a boatload of money. They own the media clowns so it's easily done. See if it now makes sense.

IMHO 20 million easy! You'll even laugh when you look back. Plus I bet they're adding China in August as they announce the next 20 countries.

Re: Survey: Will Apple Blow Out iPhone Numbers?

Partners in Grime — Fri, 25 Jul 2008 21:02:55 -0000

"Nothing like the mighty RIM that empowers all businessmen everywhere.'

How many email accounts does RIM handle? Around 12 million?

Re: Survey: Will Apple Blow Out iPhone Numbers?

rd4sndk — Fri, 25 Jul 2008 17:28:32 -0000

I predicted that Apple would sale as many as 3 million the initial weekend of the launch. I was wrong but Had they had the supply and a better activation plan, I believe they would have sold close to 3 million. As it is, many were turn back each day during that initial weekend because of out of stock. Now, I believe that Apples MFG capacity is set at a long term rate of 2 million per month. They probably have revised that plan to 2.5 million per month. I now believe they had on hand at the launch 1.5 million iphones with a mfr capacity for 2 million per month. So, 1.5 + 2 x 6 = 13.5 million units. They will probably get to a run rate of 2.5 million per month by forth quarter. So at another .5 x 3months = 1.5 million more phones. Given us a grand total of 15 million for 2H08. Add to that 4 million from 1H08 and you get 19 million for 2008. They could probably sale more if they could make them but I don't believe Apple will pay for expanded mfr capacity until they are assured of the long term consumption rate.

Re: Survey: Will Apple Blow Out iPhone Numbers?

berbabed — Fri, 25 Jul 2008 16:19:56 -0000

http://news.cens.com/cens/html/en/news/news_inn...

here an indication. Looks like the ships are piling up!

Re: Survey: Will Apple Blow Out iPhone Numbers?

trav — Fri, 25 Jul 2008 16:03:22 -0000

You need an option for "As many as they can build and ship" thats what I think, You tell me that number and that;s how many they will sell

Re: Survey: Will Apple Blow Out iPhone Numbers?

Constable Odo — Fri, 25 Jul 2008 14:09:04 -0000

Three million sold already? That really doesn't seem likely. I remember last week or so Gene Munster couldn't believe Apple sold even 500,000 iPhones in three days. I don't even want to guess at how many iPhones have sold so far, but I doubt if it's even 2 million. I'm sure they're having supply problems. I'll bet peak demand was much higher than expected and it's probably overwhelming Foxconn's assembly line. So Apple has to distribute them in dribs and drabs. All the sites that were discussing iPhone availability or lack thereof seemed to keep talking about a 10 to 20 day waiting period. I just can't believe that three million iPhones would have gone so fast and still have so many people waiting on them. I wish it were true, but really hard to believe. I don't think it matters to a lot of people that so many iPhones are being sold. They probably just think it's cutting into iPod sales and it's more or less of a tradeoff. WS isn't impressed this early on because nothing short of 15 million iPhones sold this year will even remotely get their attention. I doubt WS takes Apple seriously. They probably view it as a company that makes devices for overgrown children. Nothing like the mighty RIM that empowers all businessmen everywhere.

If Apple were to sell twice as many iPhones as RIM sold BlackBerrys, I still think RIM would be held in higher regard by WS. Looking back, I still can't imagine how the iPod impressed WS and yet the iPhone doesn't, even though it's in high demand. Oh well, I'm just puzzled about WS expectations, so I don't want to think too hard about why Apple's stock is so weak. Another thing is App Store downloads. I'd think that should be making a bundle of money for Apple, but WS doesn't notice that either.

Re: Survey: Will Apple Blow Out iPhone Numbers?

iFone Uzr — Fri, 25 Jul 2008 13:52:44 -0000

I kinda think that if they $2.5 million iphones already, they would probably announce it...unless they are waiting for $10 million.

Re: Survey: Will Apple Blow Out iPhone Numbers?

Thom — Fri, 25 Jul 2008 13:34:20 -0000

Unfortunately their current performance isn't very inspiring on the channel supply front. I know they've historically ramped up and it's smart inventory control but the scale of this launch is beyond their usual scope. And if Russia and China are added this year it will add even more strain.

If Apple doesn't beat 12 million it's a huge failure but I thing 20 mill is a stretch. 14-16 is a reality.

As an investor however I'd love for them to see 20+, truly!

I don't ever remember Nintendo having supply problems until the Wii though I was fairly young for the SNES and their old hand helds. GameCube started off slow but picked up, Wii's been having issues - amazing considering it's just a bluetooth enabled GameCube.

I like to guide like Apple UPOD, Under Promise, Over Deliver.

I tend to think of everybody as scum, then it's much easier for me to be pleased with them : )

Re: Survey: Will Apple Blow Out iPhone Numbers?

zach_bass — Fri, 25 Jul 2008 12:54:38 -0000

You're being too guarded there Thom. Nintendo is not known for supply chain management the way Apple is, so I don't see how you can compare them. Also, I don't believe Apple will announce any numbers until they've reached 10 million, maybe even then they won't. They love to keep us all guessing!

Re: Survey: Will Apple Blow Out iPhone Numbers?

Thom — Fri, 25 Jul 2008 12:09:29 -0000

The problem is right now all your assumptions are based on assumptions. Apple will gladly let us know when they've sold their 3 millionth phone. I believe they'll get there before September but the usual problems will befall Apple as did Nintendo's Wii. Supply chain issues. Of course these are quality problems and NOK and MOT would kill for them but they are problems none the less.

15 mil is a possibility and quite probable as well. 20 I don't think allows enough ramp-up time for the manufacturers.